Cyclical Patterns on Mailing LIsts
During one or another of the discussions on garou-l, Loki observed that
the arguments that usually happen have a tendency to have the same pattern
of arguments and positions. He listed them, and I have repeated them here.
(I have added my own at the end, marked as my own additions.)
Loki's introduction:
Let me dispel some of the mystery of this current little cycle of
distress. There's nothing new being said here. We've played this
game before, and we'll play it again. Here's how it goes:
(Warning: Spoiler)
- Insert history of perceived slights, minor judgement flaws, and the
like.
- Person or group A runs, does, or says something that cheeses off
person or group B.
- B starts complaining in private, speculating, worrying, rallying
support.
- A catches wind of B's complaining, and writes B off, complains,
speculates, worries, and rallies support.
- Someone brings B's complaints public.
- A defends itself, and points out problems with B.
- B defends itself, and renews its case against A.
- Repeat 6 and 7 ad nauseum.
- Bystanders watch in dismay, latch on to some of the points made,
worry about them.
- Cries of 'dead horse' and 'can't we all just get along' go unheeded.
- Someone decides that the world has clearly ended. Time to move on.
Arguments that get raised, in no particular order:
- A) This is not a consensual mush. (I.e. Wizards assert authority.)
- B) If you rule X, then look how it could become horrible thing Y.
(I.e. Players say wizard's shouldn't assert authority.)
- C) A is out to get me.
- D) B thinks A is out to get them and won't listen to me when I say
A isn't.
- E) I'm being reasonable. See. Can't you all be like me?
- F) I was there, or I read the log, and that isn't how it happened.
- G) By my reasoning, it must have been this way, which is bad.
- H) You don't trust me to make a reasonable judgement.
- I) I trust you. (Go on to explain why you don't trust them.)
- J) I heard this, therefore that's the way it was. (Like G, but slightly
different; implies rumors.) (Adele's addition.)
- K) Sometimes, 'the wizards treat group X specially' appears. (Adele.)
Last updated on March 28, 1998 /
Felan /
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